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I'm getting ready to build a new 40x60x12 building here on our new farm. 30x40 of it will be my shop, the other half equipment storage. I've sketched out a rough idea of what I want attached below.

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The first thing I'm looking for input on is the 2000lb chain fall that will run the length of the shop. Maybe some of you engineering types could tell me what size I-beam I need to support 2000lbs in the middle of a 40' span? (Just looking for a rough idea, won't hold yall liable if the whole thing crashes down on me) :flipoff2:

My other thought was a 20' long swinging jib type crane attached near where the compressor is. Not sure how to go about designing that either, but I know it would take a massive amount of concrete underneath it to support 2000lbs 20' out. Anyone have any experience with these?

Other comments, suggestions, etc?

I'll try to post up more details later, gotta get back to work now....
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I like the layout. Call me if you want help moving shit in or building or whatever.
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One of these youngin's with a statics book should be able to look up the I beams in the back....
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Thanks for the replies.

Still undecided on the chain-fall setup, might just go with a mobile gantry crane that I can roll around the shop. It'd be a little more cumbersome to use, but also could be much higher capacity for the $$$.
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I wouldn't put the press in-front of a window. Too much chance of something breaking loose and smashing glass. The compressor would probably do better next to the smaller door as well, put a 2" or 3" header across the top of the shop with drops where you want to use air at. Other than that, I like what you've got going on there man.
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I was just tasked with getting quotes for a new jib crane at work but your shop is more interesting....according to manufacturers spec sheet's online, for 1ton capacity:

A 20 ft span jib style crane is going to require a 7'W X 4'D footer using a W16-45 beam

A gantry crane with a 40ft span is going to be supplied with a S15-42.9 beam

If you can the numbers I bet you could get away with less of a beam and still be plenty safe, a crane manufacturer has an ass to cover.

I also like the idea of a mobile style gantry crane. Me not being very building construction oriented I would much prefer to construct a gantry crane with a relatively short span as opposed to trying to sling a 40ft 15inch beam up in the air and properly support it. I could see it being more flexible than cumbersome, but I don't know all of your intended uses. Just thinking along the lines of working on a rig.
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TerryD wrote:I wouldn't put the press in-front of a window. Too much chance of something breaking loose and smashing glass. The compressor would probably do better next to the smaller door as well, put a 2" or 3" header across the top of the shop with drops where you want to use air at. Other than that, I like what you've got going on there man.
Shouldn't have to worry about the windows, they will be up high on the walls for maximum natural light. The bottom of the windows will probably be 6-8' high. I'll definitely plumb in some air lines, probably run one to the equipment storage area and one outside to the pad in front of each door as well. With that said, I'm trying to balance convenience and electrical needs. Someday I'd like to be off the grid, but that's a whole 'nother topic.... :flipoff2:

BadnewsCJ wrote:I was just tasked with getting quotes for a new jib crane at work but your shop is more interesting....according to manufacturers spec sheet's online, for 1ton capacity:

A 20 ft span jib style crane is going to require a 7'W X 4'D footer using a W16-45 beam

A gantry crane with a 40ft span is going to be supplied with a S15-42.9 beam

If you can the numbers I bet you could get away with less of a beam and still be plenty safe, a crane manufacturer has an ass to cover.

I also like the idea of a mobile style gantry crane. Me not being very building construction oriented I would much prefer to construct a gantry crane with a relatively short span as opposed to trying to sling a 40ft 15inch beam up in the air and properly support it. I could see it being more flexible than cumbersome, but I don't know all of your intended uses. Just thinking along the lines of working on a rig.
Thanks for the tech info on those, much appreciated. My main uses will be moving around large welding projects/pieces, working on farm/construction equipment, and of course working on rigs. We have the equipment to handle beams that size, so setting it shouldn't be a problem.


The specs for the jib crane, is that a 7'x7' footer 4' deep? That's a good bit of concrete, but I figured it would take a lot.

I've got a few different beams up to 20' and my FIL has some 30' beams that probably spec out close to a S15-42.9 (I haven't measured them exactly). I'm still mulling all that over. The one benefit to a completely mobile gantry crane is that if it were about 10-20' long and had a wheelbase of about 7', I could load it on my trailer and use it at different places. Also one that short I could probably build to handle my 3-ton hoist.
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Yep, thats a 4' deep footer. I still like the gantry crane idea, mainly cause your chain fall would only move north - south and not east - west, where as the gantry is moveable in all directions. Unless you were planning on mounting that 40 footer on a trolley and using two more beams....
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